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EP13 S3 The Art of Conflict Resolution Insights from Award-Winning Trainer Vicki Main

EP13 S3 The Art of Conflict Resolution Insights from Award-Winning Trainer Vicki Main

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Hey there! Do you tend to avoid conflict or face it head-on? Have you ever wondered why the same behaviour can lead to conflict with some people but not others?

Knowing how to handle tricky situations is super important for success in life and business. So in this episode, I chatted with Vicki Main, an award-winning lecturer, Master Trainer, and certified Conflict Dynamic Profile practitioner (and also a podcast client – check out her show ‘Get Unstuck Fast! Viscosity Podcast‘).

Vicki shared some amazing insights on conflict resolution in the workplace, drawing from her 20+ years of experience in corporate educational training and leadership roles. She talked about the Conflict Dynamic Profile tool, which helps people understand how they deal with conflict and identify their hot buttons. She gave us some great tips on how to manage and resolve conflicts effectively in the workplace.

One of the biggest takeaways from our conversation was the importance of understanding yourself and others. Vicki stressed the value of being open to compromise and being mindful of your actions and behaviours.

If you’re interested in learning more about how to resolve conflicts effectively in the workplace, definitely check out Vicki’s book, Momentum Mindset, which she co-wrote with Jonathan Bean. It’s a fantastic resource for mindset and personal development.

Thanks so much for tuning in to this episode, and a huge shoutout to Vicki for sharing her insights with us. If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a rating and review, and don’t forget to subscribe to our podcast. We’ll be back soon with more amazing guests and insights!

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[00:00:00] Think these tools can actually really help to minimize conflict in the early stages and help teams perform better by knowing their behaviors and understanding that you’re in a workplace. You’ve gotta be there to work as a team. Let’s attempt to get on and work through these things, but conflict. Can be good in some situations because it helps get things out in the open.

[00:00:21] And if you come back with constructive responses, like I said earlier, it can actually help situations too. But when they get out of hand, that’s when the [00:00:30] real problems start to occur. Welcome to Magnetic Pod. If you are looking to attract your soul clients while doing the work you love, this show is for you heart.

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[00:01:34] I have loads and loads of free resources and templates that will help you get started. The link is in my show notes. Now, here’s your show. Hello Vicky. Welcome. So great to have you here. So let me just introduce you quickly. Vicky is a podcasting client of mine. She is an award-winning lecturer, master trainer, a certified complex, dynamic profile practitioner with over 20 years.

[00:01:59] [00:02:00] Experience in corporate educational training and leadership roles in the UK and Australia. She’s the founder of BLM training a company that provides coaching, learning, and development programs to help clients cut through the noise, achieve clarity and thrive in a fast changing world. And very recently, she’s also a co-author of the Momentum Mindset book with Jonathan sbe.

[00:02:23] So welcome, so good to see you and talk to you. Thank you so much Li and thank you for having [00:02:30] me on your show. And I’m a big fan of yours and I know you’ve helped me with my podcast in getting that developed and built over the last eight months. Now it’s time flies and I am delighted. I’m gonna shamelessly plug the book, this is called The Momentum Mindset with my co-author Jonathan Bean, and I’ll share a little bit information about that later.

[00:02:51] Wow. I’m looking forward to that. I’ve been meeting to interview you for a while because you announced that you’re certified with the conflict dynamics [00:03:00] profile side of things, and I always find that so fascinating because it’s just Yeah, person to person relationships. So can you tell me why you decided to do that?

[00:03:11] Yeah, sure. So I’ve also been fascinated by people and relationships and I’ve always, wherever possible and feasible, I do foster great relationships. However, conflict occurs in life, it’s inevitable. So I stumbled across the Conflict Dynamic Profile tool. It it’s from [00:03:30] Ed College in the us. So I’d already been a master trainer in the entrepreneurial mindset profile tool.

[00:03:38] I’m interested and curious about conflict resolution. So I became a conflict dynamic profile practitioner. I didn’t realize at the time, but that really helped me deal with conflict that I was facing and how to perhaps look at ways that I can bring in some constructive behaviors and look at ways that I wouldn’t necessarily be triggered by [00:04:00] certain things as we all are as individuals in different ways.

[00:04:03] And I’ll explain more about that in a moment. But what I realized was the conflict dynamic profile tool. Really gives you a deep dive of how you deal with conflict, like constructive ways you deal with conflict. For example, if you have a really great score for looking at how you can create solutions and go, well, how can we fix this problem?

[00:04:24] What does that look like? And there might be ways where instead of hiding from [00:04:30] conflict, you decide to reach out and from to that person and. In a faster responsive way. There’s actually seven ways of responding to conflict. I’ll not go through them all right now, but what it does do is, for example, people might.

[00:04:44] Delay responding to a comment that was made at work or in their life, and they might just go, you know what? I’m gonna go for a walk and delay responding, or a text message that they get and just chill out for a small for a little while, and then delay responding and go back later [00:05:00] out, or maybe the next.

[00:05:00] Day when they’ve had a nice sleep and they’ve had a chance to reflect and think. However, there are also destructive ways of responding to conflict. And I dunno if you’ve ever been in a situation, Libby, where someone has responded in a way that you’ve gone, gosh, that’s really out of order. Or in a workplace or personal context.

[00:05:19] But it could be things like someone might decide to demean others. Or embarrass them if there’s conflict that’s occurred. Or maybe things like wanting to [00:05:30] retaliate. So these are the destructive ways of dealing with conflict. So in summary, the constructive ways are like how you might put out a fire, whereas the destructive ways are how you flame that fire and make a burn more.

[00:05:42] So the report I love and the feedback is because, You can look at ways how you positively respond to constructive conflict, but also ways that you can negatively destructive ways to deal with it. But what I love is it also looks at how you can be triggered and looks at your hot [00:06:00] buttons. But like for example, if they’re working with someone who is very over analytical or micromanaging, that might really upset someone, whereas to that person that wouldn’t really bother them.

[00:06:11] It’s, it’s looking at where your hot buttons are. But for example, if someone becomes hostile or even aloof or should demonstrate patterns of behavior, if you have a particular hot button in that category, that can really rub you up the wrong way or annoy you to the point where you’re just like, I’m done with this.

[00:06:28] And in terms of [00:06:30] conflict resolution in the workplace, If people are better equipped to know what their hot buttons are and their behavioral style, if they can react in a different way and adapt to the other person’s style as well, if they know that that will actually help conflict resolution situations and make it a better place to work as well.

[00:06:48] It’s all fascinating, but one thing that’s coming to mind for me is I rated quite well as I’m always. Wanting to understand the other person’s point of view, but even giving, even if you’re trying your best to [00:07:00] do that, it’s interesting to me that we may tend to imagine that everyone’s like us. And so this report is really interesting because if something triggers you and so you are getting worked up and annoyed about it, you probably assume that that other person would get triggered by that sort of thing, that everyone’s the same.

[00:07:16] They don’t. If I’m triggered, those things must trigger everybody and it’s interesting that obviously. They don’t different people. Absolutely. I’ll give you an example. So I’m in a relationship and I did this with my partner. I’d actually got his profile to [00:07:30] see what would be his hot buttons, and he’s so laid back, very laid back.

[00:07:34] In fact, his hot buttons aren’t really that high, whereas mine, I do have some hot buttons that would trigger me. For example, one of the things that it measures is appreciation. So I’m thinking in a context, a hypothetical scenario where you’re at home and you’ve cooked a lovely dinner and you’ve cleaned or you don’t outsource your cleaning, or you do something really nice for your partner and maybe they don’t say thank you.

[00:07:57] That sort of thing would probably annoy me a little [00:08:00] bit, not straight away, but it would get to me. Or if I was working with a client and I was going the extra mile and doing some great work and it was just a given that it was always expected to have some feedback and, but I know that. I recognize that that would be one of my hot buttons, so I don’t expect a thank you.

[00:08:17] I just know that that would be my trigger and hot button. And I know we’ve talked about one of the things that would be a hot button for you is around being micromanaged, and I guess that’s why you work for yourself now and we have clients, but if you [00:08:30] were working with someone who was consistently micromanaging you, it would probably be a hot button and a trigger for you.

[00:08:35] Well, I think the first step to anything in life is to understand yourself. So I think that’s really insightful. And also if you do this training, you get to understand that other people are different. Yeah. And then what’s the next step from there? Yeah, so the profile tool can be done individually. So if anybody is listening to this and thinking, I wanna know what my hot buttons are, they can do this [00:09:00] online.

[00:09:00] And it’s a very short assessment. But if someone on the call, uh, who’s listening to this, wanted to look at doing it for their team, you can actually do a 360 feedback and you get feedback from your peers as well. And it’s really insightful. So I’m really enjoying. Giving the feedback and sharing the insights with people.

[00:09:20] So it’s something that is fairly new. I’ve brought into my portfolio, my business, and if anybody wants to hear more, just drop me a line on LinkedIn. I’m on LinkedIn [00:09:30] or an email, maybe I’ve heard it. Fascinating to answer the questions and things like, would you want to retaliate? And I’m going, I’m definitely a no there.

[00:09:39] And people actually go, yes for that. So it just shows you how different people are. Yeah. And you wouldn’t believe because you just don’t know. I’ve worked with people for the past 20 years working in. Lecturing, working in corporate roles, and then I’ve met lots of people with various different hot buttons, but it’s working out, getting the job done, [00:10:00] but also if you’re working in a large team or small team, even as enjoying the process and being there to support each other as well.

[00:10:06] And. And not triggering each other. It’s hard enough going out and working in a team. There’s nothing worse than having conflict in teams, like really bad conflict. And I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it in workplaces where I’ve actually been the one to whistleblower. Previous years ago, I actually whistle blowed on a situation because that person was.

[00:10:25] Becoming ill at work and there was a scenario of bullying going on and it wasn’t [00:10:30] okay and I couldn’t sleep at night. So I actually did whistle blow and unfortunately nothing really got done about it, and the person actually left in the end and was paid off. So hang on. The person, the victim, or the bully, Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:42] No, no. Well, I’m, I’m not sure what happened to the bully and I left that particular organization, but I couldn’t sit back and watch that go on. But the person who left the organization, they really struggled with building their confidence back after such a period of time. I think these tools can actually really help to [00:11:00] minimize conflict in the early stages and help teams perform better by knowing their behaviors and understanding that you’re in a workplace, you’ve gotta be, that works a team, let’s.

[00:11:10] Attempt to get on and work through these things. But conflict can be good in some situations because it helps get things out in the open. And if you come back with constructive responses, like I said earlier, it can actually help situations too. But when they get out of hand, that’s when the real problems start to occur.

[00:11:29] So I can see [00:11:30] how valuable this is. For what the whole team’s actually, particularly managers, so that they can understand what they might be doing that they are completely unaware of, is triggering their staff, but also for everyone to work as a team and to do better. Also, personally, I would think that most people don’t.

[00:11:49] Like conflict? Would that be fair assumption? Yeah. Well, I don’t know. Maybe some people thrive of it. Who knows? Maybe there are gaslight out there. I think for me, when I started to embark [00:12:00] on this journey, it was really a case of going, how can I show better and what can I do to minimize conflict? Moving forward, what does that look like?

[00:12:09] So I embarked on this as a learning experience, but then I ended up realizing that I absolutely love it, love people, and I think on the back of the entrepreneurial mindset assessment, which I’ve done about 2,500 now, looking at that, wow. And looking at how people are entrepreneurial in their mindset, and then that snowballed into the book.

[00:12:28] But the conflict. [00:12:30] Resolution is the profiling. I love it. It’s so insightful, and I’ve not seen anything like this before. I really haven’t. There’s things like disk out there, but this focuses on behaviors rather than styles, which I’m really interested in. Very practical. How about some tips then? Are there certain tips that you would recommend to resolve or to deal with?

[00:12:51] Conflict to resolve conflict? Yeah. Obviously it depends on the context of the situation. I think if there’s genuine cause for concern in someone’s health is at risk and [00:13:00] mental health, I think they should go and get some advice from an HR team depending on the context. If there’s genuinely a case of bullying going on, I think they need to.

[00:13:10] To speak up and talk about it with someone in their HR department or even just share it with someone close to them and not bury those feelings down inside. That would be the first tip. But I think secondly, if you want to manage conflict resolutions better in the workplace, this tool actually is a really good way to start to know yourself [00:13:30] and then that can then cascade to the team as well.

[00:13:33] Um, but I think also going back to how do you want to show up? Like I intentionally, before I go into a meeting with a client or with a colleague, I intentionally say to myself, how do I wanna show up here? What does that look like? There are times where there might be some discussions around maybe a disagreement, but it’s what do you want the best outcome to be and how do you want to show up?

[00:13:57] And also I think, is there some wiggle room [00:14:00] for you to compromise as well? Because let’s face it, I dunno if you’ve worked with anybody in a workplace who just will not compromise and it’s. Their way or the highway, and that’s quite a rigid position to be in. That comes down to their belief systems and their behaviors and what that looks like.

[00:14:15] But if someone’s got the hard set on, no, this is the way, then you’re not really going to be able to change. Change the decision. You might just have to look at your own behavior and go, well, how can I navigate through this in a way that works for me [00:14:30] and have a better constructive response? I know I’ve plugged the book, but in the book there’s around 66 tips, which can actually help you with mindset.

[00:14:38] It doesn’t focus on conflict as much, but it does give you some tips around things like boundaries. Healthy boundaries over the years have been challenged in some ways with. Boundaries, and it’s something that I’ve had to explore because I’m genuinely one of the good guys. I believe what I do is in service to others.

[00:14:55] When I was teaching, I wanted the best for my students. When I’m [00:15:00] coaching or working in training scenarios, I want the best for the people in the organizations because you have that heightened personal sensitivity. Sometimes you wanna do more and do more to support them. You’ve gotta look after yourself as well, and this is where having those healthy boundaries in place comes in and knowing that.

[00:15:17] Say no is a complete sentence, and that is tough sometimes. Do you like saying No, Libby? No. No, no. Not really. No. And I couldn’t possibly be guilty of overthinking and [00:15:30] tying myself into knots about how to say certain things if they feel uncomfortable. So I think that would be, yeah, something I would like to have the tools for.

[00:15:38] So. Okay. Speak on the book. Let’s talk a bit more about the book. So tell me what led you to ride it with Jonathan Bean? How did it all come about and yeah, tell me more. So, back in October, 2021, I was going through a period of my life where I had successful business in Australia and it was scaling, and I also had a DJ business.

[00:15:57] So I was a DJ back in Perth and those [00:16:00] who know me, I went by DJ Von and did that for a while. Loved it. So I had all these things going on, and also I had my two children and behind the scenes to the outside world, I was smashing it. I was like, oh, look, I’m doing some great things. The business was thriving.

[00:16:16] We had some amazing clients, but behind the scenes things were somewhat different, and I was going to aspel my life. I had got divorced and I was a single parent and lots of stuff was happening. I was going through maybe this. Real life reset, but I didn’t know it at the [00:16:30] time, and one morning I thought that enough is enough.

[00:16:32] I’m going to write myself a manual of what the smartest person in the world would do right now in my situation. So I did. So I sat down with a piece of paper and a pen, and I’ve still got the notes and I started writing all the things that I helped coaching clients with as well, and started to just write down all these life hacks and things that.

[00:16:52] Would help me. And I thought, right, I’ve gotta put this into practice. So it started off like that, and then it just evolved from there. So it [00:17:00] went from me being how to overcome your inertia, your own inertia, and achieve an incredible life. So I was going through my own inertia at the time, and then one day in January, I was living in per full time at the time, and my father was very ill in the UK and.

[00:17:15] I was going through some conflict myself. One day I just thought, enoughs enough, I’m gonna get a plane back to the UK and go and see my family. I need to be around and be nurtured by my family and I wanna go and see my mom and dad and be there. So, and [00:17:30] it was just when the flights, you were able to go again.

[00:17:32] Sadly, he passed away this year, but he lived like a year longer than we thought he would. So he’s not suffering now. So I’m pleased about that. I started to still continue writing, but it was a period of my life where I decided to exit my previous business. So I had this big real life reset and then, Bizarrely.

[00:17:51] I met a friend of mine who I’ve known for 12 years will, and he became my partner and he’s got a global business. [00:18:00] And we met years ago, fell in love, and that was it. That was it. Literally. That was it. So Will lives in London and I spend my time, so I’m still building my business in Australia and now in the uk.

[00:18:13] So I’m essentially living between the two countries. My son’s, uh, at Melbourne University studying, and my other son’s currently in Perth. Well, he’s finishing off his schooling there and it’s a great place to live, isn’t it? Australia and. Sometimes when I’m in London, I think, gosh, the weather’s not great at all, [00:18:30] but it’s a fun city to live in.

[00:18:31] It’s a fun city to be. Yeah. So I genuinely believe I’ve got the best of both worlds now. Gone up to the point where I met Jonathan, so I’d written about 6,000 words on paper. At this point, and then I started doing my podcasts, which you helped me with last year. So I was interviewing people about how they were becoming unstuck and created the podcast Get Unstuck, fast Viscosity podcast.

[00:18:54] So I started the podcast before the book. Which I didn’t realize at the time, but it was the lead into the book. [00:19:00] And then Will and I went to a party on the Isle of White and we to Rose Beans Party, who’s Jonathan’s auntie, and Jonathan was there and we got chatting and he’s an amazing writer. He then started working with me on some blog.

[00:19:14] And then I’m very much a one to work smart and not harder if I can, and I thought, he’s great. He’s the missing human jigsaw piece to finish helping me write this book. Then I realized after talking to him, he’d ran 13 marathons and he got out of his own inertia [00:19:30] of a, he had severe anxiety when he was younger and he dealt with a lot of stuff himself, and I thought, you know what?

[00:19:37] This guy is just. Perfect for coming together to write this book with me. And I have to say it’s been an absolute pleasure to write with him. We’ve been writing, working on this project for eight months now, and some of the podcast quotes from the podcasts are in there and. It just evolved and it was seamless, so it was [00:20:00] almost meant to be.

[00:20:01] And since I’ve written the book with Jonathan, we’ve had some book launches in the UK and I’m coming to Australia very soon. I’ve had people say to me, Vic, everyone needs to read this book. And I’m not targeting it for everybody. There’s some people who don’t have. Inertia. They’re on a inertia at the moment that they’re struggling with things to get outta.

[00:20:18] But for the majority of people, there’s things in their life that they might wanna change and they might just need that extra kick to do it and take action. So I’ve some wonderful feedback from the book. So [00:20:30] one lady I know got a business, it’s Kickstarter. Get right back into her business and get into almost ninja mode there with that.

[00:20:38] And I’ve got another gentleman who gave me feedback recently that he was suffering from major anxiety and he read it and he said, it’s brilliant. I’ve loved reading some chapters. There was one lady with autism recently discovered autism in her fifties, and she said, I need this book right now in my life.

[00:20:56] Because I’m going through my own stuff and I need some words of wisdom to [00:21:00] help me in some hope to get out of this situation. Weirdly, the book was written based on all of my teaching and coaching experience, but I actually wrote it about what would I do if I was the smartest person in the world right now?

[00:21:10] How could I get out of my own inertia? And then it led to this incredible journey. I think the book has aimed at anybody who’s gone through maybe a bit of a rough time at the moment, or maybe just wants to kick themselves to do something. It’s not a David Goggins. You get up and you’d get out there, and I’m not a former SAS person in the Army or whatever.

[00:21:28] I’m a human being [00:21:30] who’s worked with a lot of people in terms of mindset, and I’ve got myself outta situations and I am genuinely living my best life. Even though at the moment I’m on a rocky house board in Chelsea, but I traveled the world with clients and I love traveling now, and I get the best of both worlds.

[00:21:47] Wow, that is so fascinating. What are some of the things that have helped you get out of inertia? Wow. Write in the book. Yeah, because actually I thought if I write this book, I’ve gotta really [00:22:00] use this as my manual. There’s so many things in there that. You’ve got me here. There’s actually so many. I’m just opening the book on a page and thinking, giving you an example of what would be something in here that would be Oh, forgiven yourself.

[00:22:16] Forgiven yourself. And actually I wrote about how to just, it’s okay to go, you know what? I’ve learned those lessons. It’s okay. Now I forgive myself. Now I can move on and not carry that backpack full of behaviors that I’m gonna serve [00:22:30] you self-loathing, not just. Moving forward positively in life. I think we can drag a lot of stuff around with us as regret and shame and guilt and things that maybe somebody else might go, well, why are you worrying about that?

[00:22:44] But like we were talking earlier about overthinking and I used to be a really big overthinker. Now I’m like, no, I’m not doing it anymore. There’s lots of tips and things that I’ve done myself, but I talk a lot about mindset in the book about growth and fixed mindset, which was. Originally the [00:23:00] terms were coined by Carol Dweck.

[00:23:01] It’s a great book around mindset. If you want, if anybody wants to read that, forgive yourself and move on. I’m reading through the chapters right now and I loved writing that Imposter syndrome. Talk about imposter syndrome. I’ve met many clients, not just women, but men as well, who are suffering from imposter syndrome and thinking.

[00:23:18] Which tall poppy syndrome or the glass ceiling, that type of thing. You’ve gotta remind yourself of your self worth and looking at what your skills are and focusing on what you do. Well, like for example, [00:23:30] you inspired me to create my podcast and we had a chat, if you remember. With Karen on a call, and I thought I could just see how great you were at what you were doing, and you’ve helped me unlock my inertia in terms of getting the podcast up and running.

[00:23:46] And for me, I’m a huge fan of yours because if it wasn’t for you, I would never have created that podcast because I can tell you before I got you on board to help me. I spent three days online, and I talk about this in the book about outsourcing. I spent three [00:24:00] days online trying to work out how to use Riverside and various other systems, and I thought, this is not my skillset, or various other platforms.

[00:24:08] And then I thought, oh no, I’m just gonna contact Libby. And within three days we had it sorted. I had my first interview lined up and that was it. Boom, off I went. I’m so excited to read this book. Yeah, yeah. I’ll send you a copy with pleasure. In fact, I’ll hand you a copy when I come to Melbourne because I will be there pretty soon.

[00:24:24] Fingers crossed. I just need get a, about perfectionism in the book about drop [00:24:30] perfectionism. You don’t need it anymore, and. There’s some funny things in there too. It’s not all serious stuff. I do put a few things in there that might make you laugh too. I need to ask you just quickly before we wrap it up, tell me about being a standup comedian.

[00:24:44] That’s so cool. Well, so I’ve done the teaching, I’ve set up businesses, done the DJing. I thought, what’s next? I guess standup comedy. I’ve always loved it and I did sign up for a course in Perth, Western Australia, but I never got [00:25:00] to attend. Because I jumped on a flight and went back to the UK for a while, but I did sign up one day randomly.

[00:25:06] I thought, right, I’m doing this. I’m not gonna make excuses anymore. I’m just gonna put myself through the process. So I joined the Comedy Store in London, in Lester Square, and six weeks later I was up there doing standup comedy. I mean, you couldn’t make it up. There was about 150 people in the room, and I thought, gosh, I’ve gotta get out there and do this.

[00:25:23] But then the problem was, I went on holiday. I didn’t realize I was going to, but I went on holiday for three weeks, so I [00:25:30] missed three weeks of the six week course. So I did the standup with having three weeks theory and had to put it in practical application. And I have to say I did enjoy it. It was good fun, and I did make people laugh, but it was quite uncomfortable being up there.

[00:25:43] But I thought character building, but then I did it again because I missed three weeks. I said to Mike, he’s an amazing cop, comedian, and he’s so dry, sense of humor, and I said, look, Mike, I’ve missed. Three sessions, would you have me back? And he said, oh, go on then. So anyway, I went back and the irony was I did [00:26:00] the six sessions and I went every week and I was attempting to be the best student I could be in doing my homework.

[00:26:05] And I think it was worse that session. I didn’t feel. It was too theory based and I didn’t enjoy, it was still a journey, but I didn’t enjoy it so much. But I did think I’m gonna be live at the Apollo this year maybe, and do Edra Fringe, but I’ve been focused on the book tour now. But if anything, it’s been fun to do and it’s been a hobby outside of work and it’s a great talking point at a party or a dinner [00:26:30] party or a podcast.

[00:26:32] Yeah. Um, So, I mean, I’ve been in, in front of people on stages, like I’m a singer in my other life, but comedy, that seems a bit more scary to me, but it, it’s a beautiful skill. Alright. Is there anything you’d like to share with us before we wrap up? Just to say thank you so much for inviting me on the show.

[00:26:52] If anybody wants to find me, I’m on LinkedIn and we could talk for hours. I know it’s really early at your time as well, [00:27:00] so, but yeah, I’m on Instagram, I’m on LinkedIn. I’m on Facebook and various of the channels, so just connect with me. I’d love to hear your views on the book. It’s not. Live for Salem Australia, yet it will be in two weeks online.

[00:27:13] It’ll be on Amazon. There’s a link on my website if you want to buy it there, but it will be within a week or two weeks. It’ll be ready up there live. We’re doing the soft launches at the moment, and from the 23rd of May, it will be live across the world for people to purchase. How exciting. And we will have all the links in [00:27:30] the show notes, so let me know.

[00:27:31] Those. Thank you. I’ll put them there. And thank you so much. Thank you, Livy. Thank you. So what were your key takeaways from today? Did it raise any questions? What would you like to know more about? Let me know. You can contact me via social media or email. I don’t care which way you use. Just reach out to me.

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